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Originally Posted by Unregistered

Yea what about the last 8 years where we lived with the "Patriot Act". It's funny how you complain about the current administration but are unable to come to grips with the fact that the last administration did the same things as far as stopping our freedoms. But I guess it was ok because those terrorists were going to steal my lunch money and cut my sisters head off right? Please learn to take a partisan look at everything instead of believing that one party is always right. Then you can truly see that what is going on now has been going on in the past.

Just a question for you all. Back in October, were you complaining about the TARP money being lent to the banks with no questions asked? It would be interesting to see if you had the same complaints with a different administration.

Yes, I said we should let the banks fail.

Apparently you have me pegged as a blueblood republican. That is not the case at all.


In regards to the first part of your post, I am a supporter of the USA PATRIOT ACT. I just read a review of it that I will check with the author and see if I can pass on. It was a good piece. But I am sure you are asking yourself how I could possibly support that legislation (that was passed 99-1 in the Senate.)

For me it is simple. I feel that the level of threat to our personal freedoms contained in the Patriot Act pales in comparison to the threat against the institution of freedom the act protects us against.

What were you doing to be affected by the patriot act, poster?

Originally Posted by LookOutKokomo

Yes, I said we should let the banks fail.

Apparently you have me pegged as a blueblood republican. That is not the case at all.


In regards to the first part of your post, I am a supporter of the USA PATRIOT ACT. I just read a review of it that I will check with the author and see if I can pass on. It was a good piece. But I am sure you are asking yourself how I could possibly support that legislation (that was passed 99-1 in the Senate.)

For me it is simple. I feel that the level of threat to our personal freedoms contained in the Patriot Act pales in comparison to the threat against the institution of freedom the act protects us against.

What were you doing to be affected by the patriot act, poster?

First of all you just cited Wikipedia. English professors would laugh in your face and give you a FAIL if you did that on research papers because everyone knows citing Wikipedia is a no no.

And by reading the link you provided, it looks like Congress shoved this piece of legislation through in a hurry to fill a gap while expanding the powers of government. Kind of sounds familiar to today's legislation going through Congress. But it was ok then because the government scared everyone into thinking our freedom was close to ending because of some terrorists.

Good example

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

First of all you just cited Wikipedia. English professors would laugh in your face and give you a FAIL if you did that on research papers because everyone knows citing Wikipedia is a no no.

And by reading the link you provided, it looks like Congress shoved this piece of legislation through in a hurry to fill a gap while expanding the powers of government. Kind of sounds familiar to today's legislation going through Congress. But it was ok then because the government scared everyone into thinking our freedom was close to ending because of some terrorists.

Good example

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I have lamps... I drive cars. I don't associate with terrorists, foreign OR domestic. I think most of my neighbors are the same way.

How is it that there is a parallel? Again I ask, what kind of stuff were you into that got you nabbed by the patriot act?

Originally Posted by LookOutKokomo

Yes, I said we should let the banks fail.

Apparently you have me pegged as a blueblood republican. That is not the case at all.


In regards to the first part of your post, I am a supporter of the USA PATRIOT ACT. I just read a review of it that I will check with the author and see if I can pass on. It was a good piece. But I am sure you are asking yourself how I could possibly support that legislation (that was passed 99-1 in the Senate.)

For me it is simple. I feel that the level of threat to our personal freedoms contained in the Patriot Act pales in comparison to the threat against the institution of freedom the act protects us against.

What were you doing to be affected by the patriot act, poster?

It figures you would support the Patriot act and what I find funny you used Wikipedia as your reference source. Read it close it give too much power to police and goverment alike. The overall goal of the act is clearly to undermind civil laws designed to protect all US citizens. As when you used to post you are full of hot air. You are clearly one of those guys who site behind a computer and second guess everything in other words a right wing nut.. Crawl back to you blog where you belong.

Originally Posted by LookOutKokomo

I have lamps... I drive cars. I don't associate with terrorists, foreign OR domestic. I think most of my neighbors are the same way.

How is it that there is a parallel? Again I ask, what kind of stuff were you into that got you nabbed by the patriot act?

But how do you know that it is being used for just terrorists? If you give agencies expanded powers, then they surely will use it for other eavesdropping. And where does it define what terrorist activities are? I just don't live in a paranoid world where I believe I am in imminent danger from terrorists. I am more concerned about nations than rogue groups of people with radical idea.

The parallel is the expanded government powers and the intrusion into innocent peoples lives. And it sounds like you are against big government so it confuses me why you would be so adament about this act. It was pushed through in a hurry and there is no accountablity or oversight to what the government can or does do with it. If I knew that innocent people were not being watched then it wouldn't be so bad, but I have no way to know that.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

But how do you know that it is being used for just terrorists? If you give agencies expanded powers, then they surely will use it for other eavesdropping. And where does it define what terrorist activities are? I just don't live in a paranoid world where I believe I am in imminent danger from terrorists. I am more concerned about nations than rogue groups of people with radical idea.

The parallel is the expanded government powers and the intrusion into innocent peoples lives. And it sounds like you are against big government so it confuses me why you would be so adament about this act. It was pushed through in a hurry and there is no accountablity or oversight to what the government can or does do with it. If I knew that innocent people were not being watched then it wouldn't be so bad, but I have no way to know that.

LookoutKokomo dont just dislike "big goverment" he dislikes all goverment, read his threads. How is it one can be so radical about goverment and then support the patriot act?

This act gives the goverment too much leverage under the disguise of national security which now spills over to allow selective use for unspecified reasons. For someone always beating his drum about local, state and national goverment its strange to see him support this act. Its common place to find someone like LookoutKokomo put down goverment then support something that can be intrusive on everyones rights. Pick a side Lookout and stop riding the fence, playing both sides make you look weak and shoots your credibility.

The way I see it the big outstanding problem with 911 was a communication gap. The government was told that students were at flying schools and not worried about landing. So how is the Patriot act going to help there. Bush had to do something after it came out that the warning was ignored. If I were going to do something that clandestine I would certainly not be talking to anyone over the phone about it.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

But how do you know that it is being used for just terrorists? If you give agencies expanded powers, then they surely will use it for other eavesdropping. And where does it define what terrorist activities are? I just don't live in a paranoid world where I believe I am in imminent danger from terrorists. I am more concerned about nations than rogue groups of people with radical idea.

The parallel is the expanded government powers and the intrusion into innocent peoples lives. And it sounds like you are against big government so it confuses me why you would be so adament about this act. It was pushed through in a hurry and there is no accountablity or oversight to what the government can or does do with it. If I knew that innocent people were not being watched then it wouldn't be so bad, but I have no way to know that.

Why do you say I am adamant? I was asked. I responded.

Originally Posted by Miami mud flap

LookoutKokomo dont just dislike "big goverment" he dislikes all goverment, read his threads. How is it one can be so radical about goverment and then support the patriot act?

This act gives the goverment too much leverage under the disguise of national security which now spills over to allow selective use for unspecified reasons. For someone always beating his drum about local, state and national goverment its strange to see him support this act. Its common place to find someone like LookoutKokomo put down goverment then support something that can be intrusive on everyones rights. Pick a side Lookout and stop riding the fence, playing both sides make you look weak and shoots your credibility.

I didn't start a thread to support the Patriot act, poster. I was asked. I responded. Case Closed. How's about you address the original post.